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Leny
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 posted 10/6/2005 10:10:48 AM
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<<because the judge reasoned US citizens do not have any right to hold a sitting President accountable, based on the 'Doctrine of Sovereign Immunity'".>>
this an old legal doctrine, which was adopted as a public policy matter in order to free the Government from frivolous frivolous lawsuits. under this doctrine, the President cannot be legally accountable for his actions taken while in the Presidential office in a Court of law. Please note, that if every person who is not happy with the President and feels that he/she was wronged will run to the courts and file law suites which intern would have to be answered by the President. This scenario would result in a President who would spent day and night in courts. this is not practical. Court system is not a disciplinary committee, but a judiciary. General population has a right to elect the president but not to sue him. Congress, on the other hand, can fire (impeach) a President. Separation of Powers is a basic foundation of American Law. The bottom line, the suite was correctly dismissed, and the guy who brought it should be disbarred for bringing it, b/c he knew it will be dismissed (any 2nd year lawstudent would know it), and therefore, the suite was a political stunt. I don’t believe the guy is that ignorant.
Yes, Sheriff, may be you are right, that it takes some brains to take over a country, however, this bunch, just won the elections—not a big deal. It’s just a big business trying to run the world based on their believes. Again, they are not doing to good of the job…
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Serega13
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posted 10/6/2005 10:30:07 AM
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Government working for the people? haha yeah, ok...governments in every country, including US work for themselves only, they make it look like they care about people but just enough so that they don't get thrown out by angry mob.
Bush and capitol hill, both republicans and democrats, are pushing their own agenda 100% of the time, they dress their agenda in nice wording and make it seem like it's done "for the people". I really feel sorry for people who buy their crap, but sheep will always be sheep, what can you do.
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dan123
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posted 10/6/2005 10:45:35 AM
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Government in any democratic country wants more money, more power, more weapons, more respect from other countries and their own people. So they can be reelected. 
Just like a business, if you want your customers to come back, you treat them well. But some customers are unreasonable and want their butts kissed and something for nothing. Same with citizens, some of them are always unhappy with the government. There is no way to make them happy. 
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Serega13
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posted 10/6/2005 10:48:06 AM
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I think the problem you mention (with people not being happy) has something to do with government taxing people heavily and then taking that money and wasting it on things that most normal people find insane, horrendous and just plain stupid. 
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dan123
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posted 10/6/2005 10:56:58 AM
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It happens, but a lot less, then in other countries.
You said you are running a business now, don't you sometimes make some mistakes and loose money where you did not think you will? And it is too late to try to change it?
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Serega13
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posted 10/6/2005 11:15:07 AM
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Actually, no. I haven't lost any money and as hard as I try, I can't imagine a situation where I would lose money, worst thing that can happen is that I don't make any money.
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dan123
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posted 10/6/2005 11:30:36 AM
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Don't worry, you will. Something, like paying too much for the phone or for shipping. Or not being able to sell something for too long. Wait until you have to hire somebody from outside the family.
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Serega13
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posted 10/6/2005 12:27:52 PM
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No it's not like that, I don't have a kind of business when you have to sell crap to people, I have a business where I do my regular job only I have a contract with the company who hires my company and they pay me as a company, not as their employee.
Anyway, to get back to Sep 11th. Let's see who benefited after September 11th: President - his rating went through the roof because of the whole "war on terror" crap, vice president, his company, Halliburton received billions (with a B) of dollars worth of various government contracts, weapons producing corporations (billions of dollars in weapons contracts), oil companies (their profits shot up 10 fold) and finally various companies associated or owned by Washington insiders (reconstruction contracts in Iraq, construction workers make 150-200 thousand dollars a year in Iraq, which makes me believe that their managers make millions).
Who lost because of Sep 11th? American people.
I think the picture is pretty clear.
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dan123
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posted 10/6/2005 1:39:41 PM
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The president did not need higher ratings, he was not even a year in the office.
Oil and gas prices after 9/11 fell down, so did the stock market. Now oil companies are making a lot, but I do not think 9/11 has anything to do with it.
Yes, construction workers make a lot of money in Iraq and if you do not know about their managers, why do you think that they make millions?
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Serega13
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posted 10/6/2005 3:39:30 PM
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President and politicians always need higher ratings, especially when they want to pass unpopular laws, such as Patriot Act (I call it Idiot Act) and various other crap that was passed under 'war on terror' cover. Also, I'm not talking about oil and gas prices next day after 9/11, I'm talking about long term, such as 2001-2005. We have been seeing some of the highest prices in history of US (even without counting effect by Katrina) and it will only get worse since oil companies are closing!!! refineries and speculating on high demand for oil. Research some numbers on oil companies and some of them have made more profits in 5 years of this century than in the previous 25 years combined.
What I mentioned about construction in Iraq - billions of dollars have been allocated. I'm sure half of this money went directly in the pokets of very few people who run companies that were awarded these contracts. These are not just some random people, they are well known in Washington. I just happen to know how business and government funds allocation works in the USA, which is - if you get 5 million allocated you must spend 6, this way government gives you extra mil for this year and sets next year's budget at 7, this is when you will be spending 8 if you are smart.
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dan123
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posted 10/6/2005 3:59:19 PM
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If it was not for 9/11 oil companies would make a lot more money, 3 out of 4 American airline companies will not be bankrupts. Speculations with oil have nothing to do with 9/11.
I do not think that even those explosions in Moscow and Volgodonsk were ordered by Putin, and definitely 9/11 was not ordered by Bush. His salary remained at the same level.
What do you think, he decided to highjack 4 airplanes, direct 2 of them to the WTC, shoot one down in PA, make the 4-th one disappear and shoot a missile in Pentagon? You are watching too many conspiracy shows.
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Serega13
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posted 10/7/2005 9:57:34 AM
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I personally do not think it was Bush, however I also do not rule it out completely. I wouldn't be suprised if it turned out that it was him who ordered the attacks. But since there's no way to know for sure, I just look at it as one of the possibilities.
But you failed to admit that Dick Cheney (and not Osama) is the biggest winner from 9/11. Iraqi and American people are the biggest losers from 9/11.
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dan123
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posted 10/7/2005 10:45:24 AM
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If there will be proof, like it was during the Watergate, I will believe it.
People around the world are the victims of 9/11, not only Iraqis and Americans.
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celexa
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posted 10/11/2005 6:37:36 AM
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Dan. You are wasting your time arguing with these people. Your arguments don't fit there sick perception. They throw accusations without proof. They are the same as Louis Farakhan. He come up with new "exposure" recently. New Orlean levee was purposely blown up by whites to kill blacks. Sounds the same as 9-11 is mastermind of Bush and Co.
Shameles SOBs.
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dan123
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posted 10/11/2005 10:02:47 AM
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I wouldn't argue with them, if it wasn't on an open forum.
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Sheriff
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posted 10/11/2005 10:05:06 AM
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On serious note: Actually there's a big difference here, as there is mounting questions out there that are not answered, or do not fit the official "version" of what happened. The difference is that there's proof about SOBs benefiting from the events.
On not so serious note: nobody thinks that anyone will be able to do something about it untill the next elections. Really, SOBs got into a president's office and got re-elected, so obviously there's no serious opposition.
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dan123
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posted 10/11/2005 10:23:25 AM
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Presidents do not benefit from terrorists attacks. In Spain prime minister lost elections because of terrorists attack. The only way the president would benefit is if he takes correct actions after the attack. Which he probably did, since he was reelected.
In 1998 terrorist attacked American embassies, in February 2000 terrorists attacked USS Cole. Now who organized that, Clinton perhaps? Bush was not the president back then.
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Serega13
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posted 10/11/2005 10:28:26 AM
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Don't know who you are arguing with, Sherif posted some link to an article and I said that it may or may not have happened. So there's 0 people saying that Bush planned and ordered 9/11 attack.
Now the question is, who are you arguing with, because to me it looks like you are doing so with yourself.
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