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Walker
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 posted 9/11/2005 3:28:14 PM
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American people! Now 9-11, so I'd like to express my condolence in this tragedy. I hope, that all efforts which were undertaken by our peoples will eradicate all this angrily. I hope that only the bright sun will shine above our heads.
My heart is compressed, while I see the video of these planes crashes. No words to express all my grief.
[Message edited by Walker on 9/11/2005 3:29:44 PM]
[edit]fixed title error.sheriff[/edit]
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Sheriff
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posted 10/4/2005 10:08:48 PM
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An interesting article, don't know if it has any real bearing, but interesting nevertheless...Especially about NORAD, who can authorize NORAD to stand down (guess who? only Bush), and about remote-controlled Boeings...
http://www.rense.com/general57/aale.htm
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dan123
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posted 10/4/2005 10:16:08 PM
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Sheriff, why do you need this? Do you believe this yourself? This is a bunch of BS. You may also say that Bush organised the great depression, etc....
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Sheriff
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posted 10/4/2005 10:25:35 PM
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Åù¸ îäèí. Íó òî ÷òî ñ ìîáèëüíèêà íåëüçÿ ïîçâîíèòü íà çåìëþ ïîíÿòíî âñåì êòî êîãäà-òî ëåòàë. ß ñàì ïðîâåðÿë ýòî, è íå ðàç, ñ ðàçíûìè ïðîâàéäåðàìè - íå ðàáîòàåò ìîáèëüíèê â âîçäóõå.
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=48
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Sheriff
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posted 10/4/2005 10:26:39 PM
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Do I need it? Yes, I do. I want this crappy illegal Patriot Act to be named what it is - illegal, be removed from our laws and forewer forgotten.
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dan123
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posted 10/5/2005 8:58:42 AM
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How about those phones on the airplane, that people can use by swiping a credit card? Are they also unusable? Remote controlled Boeing 767 sounds very technical.
Why do they need pilots at all? All they need then are flight attendants. I know, he will say, that that is all we have on the airplanes and pilots strikes are fake, and so is their union. 
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asifna
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posted 10/5/2005 10:59:50 AM
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I remember tv said that somebody went to the restroom, closed a door, and called to his family from his mobile phone (????)
my phone (cingular) doesn't work in an air....
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Sheriff
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posted 10/5/2005 11:23:24 AM
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Yeah, reality check - I'd wonder how long so calle "terrorists" would've been looking at your arse calling somewhere from a seat phone. 
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dan123
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posted 10/5/2005 11:42:37 AM
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The only people calling from the airplane were on the one, that crashed in PA. On that flight terrorists made a lot of mistakes, finally barricaded themselves. At that point people could start using seat phones. Story about a restroom was most likely made up for entertaining purposes. 
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celexa
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posted 10/5/2005 1:27:28 PM
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Sherif! Are you stupid? Are you insane? You are posting some schizophrenics delusions. Can you imaging conversation in the White House.
Bush: " Lets make it big this time"
Cheny: " Yes George. This time we'll coordinate our efforts. I've spoken with Bin today and he also confirmed. Collin and Condy made their comments and suggestions already. Allah Akbar!"
Bush: " Allah Acbar!"
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Sheriff
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posted 10/5/2005 2:47:10 PM
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celexa, my little friend, I suggest you reexamine your beliefs if the only response you can come up with is attacking me and not the point of conversation.
This info is brought here to be discussed, it may not reflect my point of view and neither legal position of RusUSA.com.
If you want my personal opinion, then here ya go:
(a) I don't believe in "heroic people" crap about Pittsburg flight a bit. In fact, I was following CNN and BBC's newswire all day on 9/11, and I clearly remember seeing "the fighter planes have been seen going towards Pittsburg" announced. That flight for sure was brought down by a missile, and if it wasn't Bush who ordered it it may have been the CIA, or the airforce because of "remote control malfunction".
(b) The BS that another plane hit Pentagon is laughable. The only "credible" vitness these days was a military officer (he was all over CNN describing how he saw a Boeing just above the Washington city rooftops). Now, surprise here, he-he... there was no plane parts recovered (except for a fake flight gear and black boxes, that conveniently had no recordings on them), the hole in the building and in the ground clearly resembles a missile hit. etc., etc.
(c) NOMAD stood down, and the president was reading a freakin' book to children - notice, not ordering NOMAD to stand down, and neither ordering to deal with terrorists on 4 planes in the air(!!!) FOR 30 MINUTES(!!!) - on any normal day if there's as much as plane off course president is briefed...blah, blah, anyway this was either a MAJOR screw-up, at which point half of whitehouse staff should be dismissed, or they knew. This is a basic logical conclusion, try to find a flaw in this one
And, I know little about military operations, but this one stinks so bad anyone can smell it.
JMHO
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dan123
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posted 10/5/2005 3:40:31 PM
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I do not know, Sheriff, why do you believe in all that.
a) People on that plane were not "heroic", they found out what will happen to them. You do not need to be heroic to resist being murdered.
b) How do you know, what was recovered in Washington? The pictures, that supposably prove the missile attack are not clear and do not prove anything, just that Pentagon was on fire.
c) President was reading the book for so long because he did not know what to do, not because he tried to give more time to somebody.
The 9/11 was a screw up by CIA, FBI, police, fire fighters.... Because of that was created this national sequrity organisation and Patriotic Act was adopted, but has not been used yet.
This is how I see it.
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Leny
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posted 10/5/2005 4:24:31 PM
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<<The 9/11 was a screw up by CIA, FBI, police, fire fighters.... >>
agreed, definitely a huge screw up. I don’t believe in a “White House” conspiracy, just for a simple reason that White House “crew” is toooooooo dumb to create and carry out any conspiratory plan—and have no balls for such an action. For example, the war in Iraq-any conspirator would make sure that they "find" WMD in Iraq, especially considering the fact that it is difficult to check what would be truly found…Fortunately for us, this administration is to stupid to really do some damage, however, they are definitely are “little stinkers”
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dan123
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posted 10/5/2005 4:59:56 PM
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Interesting opinion. I think something like this will take a lot of planning, a bunch of memos will be leaking out. A lot of troops would be involved.
But the main reason, why the government did not do it is because the government is for the people, not against them. Many of them though do nothing and get paid.
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Sheriff
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posted 10/5/2005 5:26:20 PM
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Leny: White House “crew” is toooooooo dumb to create and carry out any conspiratory planl
Highly disagree with that, the only dumb figure out there seems to be Dubiya, who it often seems is just a puppet. Dumb people don't and can't possibly take over one of the most powerful nations on Earth.
dan123: I think something like this will take a lot of planning, a bunch of memos will be leaking out.
Nope it won't. Do you see any military memos leaking out? It is highly classified information, people get 20 years in prison for that (and some get killed). Secondly, nobody besides a hand-full of people needs to know. Military conducts drills every day, lower ranks never know when and where they are going. Even if someone would've leaked something, it would've been nothing more than "go to point X at time Y".
dan123: the government did not do it is because the government is for the people
I stand corrected <sarcasm>  
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Sheriff
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posted 10/5/2005 5:34:55 PM
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dan123 ...Patriotic Act was adopted, but has not been used yet.
Yes, it has. Try not to use your Social Security number, for instance. In a bank, or insurance company, or doctor's office, or any financial institution. I've tried. They have no legal authority to request that number (in fact it was unconstitutional for them to ask for it), except they all blame Patriot Act that they say "requires them to keep your social security number on record".
Why may I ask? It is common knowledge that they didn't get any "terrorist money". "Terrorist" attacks are used as a decoy in getting "money laudering schemes", which is nothing short of an attemt to expropriate money from free businesses and individuals.
dan123: The pictures, that supposably prove the missile attack are not clear and do not prove anything, just that Pentagon was on fire.
Do you have any idea how large a Boeing aircraft is? Do you know how much debree is out there when Boeing crashes? Yes you do, it's on TV, just watch another plane crash. You see, if a plane crashes like this full speed, practically flying horizontally and not down, debree is spread all over for miles. Yet tons of metal and aluminum got all together in a single big pile, and magically evaporated???
Anyway, I was not going to restard a years-old discussion, but to provide some interesting albeight controvercial info.
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Sheriff
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posted 10/5/2005 5:47:25 PM
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Also, this maybe food for thought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Hilton. This lawsuit was dismissed not because "it was bogus", or "there were no evidence", but (quote) "because the judge reasoned US citizens do not have any right to hold a sitting President accountable, based on the 'Doctrine of Sovereign Immunity'".
Holly mad cow!
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dan123
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posted 10/5/2005 6:39:58 PM
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Why did they do it though?
If in your country government is not for the people, we live in different countries.
Recently Ford lost a law suit and has to pay millions $ to a family, where a member died in a car crash.
SSN always was asked when applying for a loan, opening new account and in hospitals, not after 9/11 and I think it is clear why. And you do not have to give it to them, except then you will not be able to open an account, be approved for a loan or receive medical services. Actually hospitals must be using the excuse of Patriotic Act, because they have to help you without SSN.
Airplane debris probably was there, but it is illegal to take pictures of Pentagon, except for government approved and they approved what they wanted.
I do not think government should waste their time and my money for a trial with some lunatic.
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Sheriff
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posted 10/5/2005 9:12:42 PM
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Not lunatic, but attorney and a former staff with Bob Dole.
Anyway, you miss the point entirely, in your opinion government should waste billions on some war without an excuse, waste trillions on itself, and yet when someone wants to make The Government (in this case The President) accountable and ask "why", you think they shouldn't waste money.
In a paragraph before you claimed that government "is for the people" (whatever the hell that means, I have no slightest idea), but yet it is not accountable to people? And this is so called "democracy" (again, word juggle here, as such political system does not exist). Perfect, so who said government is for the people then - government?
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dan123
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posted 10/5/2005 9:28:02 PM
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In any ways, I do not believe you realy think so. This is a bunch of BS. The government in this country is for the people. I would say "tax cut" and "$1000 per year for a kid", but this is like a red rag for the boul to you.
The government WAS NOT involved in 9/11, it does not make any sense. The magority of the people in the US agree with me, which mean, that there is no proof, just some speculations. How did the government order it and then shoot down one of the planes? Why they didn't just explode something in New York and push the Patriotic Act, you do not need to kill 3000 of good taxpayers to do this.
Psycologists are very experienced in this country, they may help. 
First I just smiled about it, but then I became very happy, that help is possible.
PS With all what I saw you wrote about, I do not think you believe this crap. 
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