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Scientific Proof of the Existence of the Soul and God
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marcobiaini
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 posted 3/3/2005 11:38:08 AM
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Materialism and atheism are incompatible with the scientific view of the universe.
Science has in fact proved that all chemical, biological and cerebral processes consist only in some successions of elementary physical processes, determined in their turn only by the laws of quantum mechanics. Such a view of biological processes does not allow to account for the existence of consciousness, which existence implies then the presence in man of an unphysical element.
Such element, being unphysical, can be identified as the soul.
My name is Marco Biagini and I am a Ph. D. in Solid State Physics;
I would like to invite you in the site:
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fedeescienza/englishnf.html
where I analyse in detail the incongruencies of the materialistic conception of the mind, on the basis of our present scientific knowledges about brain and matter.
In the first article entitled “Mind and brain” you can find a general discussion of the mind and brain problem from a scientific point of view.
In the second article entitled “Scientific contraddictions in materialism”
you can find an explanation of the fundamental inconsistencies of the typical arguments used by materialists, such as the concept of emergent, macroscopic or holist property, complexity, information, etc.
Basically, science has proved that the so-called emergent properties are nothing but either ordinary geometrical properties (since matter is placed in the space) or arbitrary classifications of some successions of elementary physical processes; in other words, they are only abstract concepts used to describe in an approximated way the real processes.
Since consciousness is a preliminary necessary condition for the existence of any concepts or classifications, the materialist attempts to explain consciousness as an emergent property
are absolutely inconsistent from a logical point of view.
No entities which existence presupposes the existence of consciousness can be considered as the cause of the existence of consciousness.
The problem of the existence of the soul is strictly connected to the one of God's existence, as I explain in the section called “FAQ: answers to visitors' questions”, where you can find the answer to many other typical questions, such as "Are there any scientifically proved miracles?", "Does the existence of the universe imply the existence of God?", "Can science explain God?", "Can science establish which is the true religion?", "Can science explain consciousness in the future?", and many others.
An independent argument to prove directly the existence of God is the following.
Science has proved that the state of the universe is determined by some specific mathematical equations, the laws of physics; the universe cannot exist independently from such equations, which determine the events and the properties of such events (including the probability for the event to occur, according to the predictions of quantum mechanics). However we know that a mathematical equation cannot exist by itself, but it exists only as a thought in a conscious and intelligent mind. In fact, a mathematical equation is only an abstract concept, which existence presupposes the existence of a person who conceives such a concept. Therefore, the existence of this mathematically structured universe does imply the existence of a personal God; this universe cannot exis
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Walker
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posted 3/3/2005 11:54:36 AM
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From the point of view of banality, every individual possesses abstract associative mind, therefore processes occuring in a brain of the person are exclusively display of reality in which the given individual has been placed.
I haven't understood anything. Too hard for my brain....
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Àêàêèé
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posted 3/3/2005 3:17:04 PM
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Walker, I think the fellow PhD physicist implies that everything that cannot be explained by science with formulas, is explained by the existing of soul(and/or god).
Or, in other words: when you mess up so badly(get drunk and curse on mother in law:-), for no reason, so that only god know why (there is no scientific formula for that mess:-); proves the god and soul existence.   
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Sheriff
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posted 3/3/2005 6:33:40 PM
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Hello Marco, welcome to our forum.
I don't have a PhD in science, but neither do I need one to comment here. Since we are both scientists, before we go down the road of philosophical or rethorical debate about nothing, lets agree on definitions first. What I want to hear is this:
1) what is consciousness?
2) what is God?
3) what is Soul?
Now, I agree with you that materialistic science is in a state of chaos, and reached the state when a serious correction is needed to be performed on some of the base principles. But depending on how you define the 3 terms above, you will steer discussion either into a scientific exchange, theological debate, teosophy, or a simple chatter about getting drunk
Or else this is a blatant advertising, and as such will be removed from thy forum.
[Message edited by Sheriff on 3/3/2005 6:36:22 PM]
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Àêàêèé
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posted 3/3/2005 9:55:02 PM
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I thought that I already explained that in an understandeble english:-) But you make it worse Sherif, sometimes you are pretty smart:-) titiosophy debate?
 
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marcobiaini
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posted 3/4/2005 3:40:17 AM
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You ask for a definition of consciusness, but consciousness need no definitions; infact consciousness is the only event we know directly. Consciousness is our capacity to feel sensations, emotions or thoughts.
In my articles I have defined the soul as the cause of the existence of our consciousness, and I have proved that the soul is an unphysical/unmaterial entity.
God can be defined as an eternal conscious and intelligent Being, able to create our soul.
marco
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Serega13
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posted 3/4/2005 9:38:29 AM
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We don't know anything about consciousness, for example when you sleep, you perceive yourself as conscious...while for all intended purposes you are not. Wakey wakey... 
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Walker
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posted 3/4/2005 10:11:46 AM
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I just want to tell, that all processes, which apear in a brain of the person, are caused by a life of this person, in other words by a place where the person lives.
If he is a monk also he lives in a monastery his soul is filled with the God and if he lives close garbage his soul is filled with trash inside this box.
But it does not mean at all, that the clochard can't feel the beautyful.
Besides the sensation of beauty is extremely individual feeling.
Here we can speak indefinitely about features of consciousness of Americans, Russian, Italians..., but we just waste the time.
A priori, people are different. Otherwise we would not be homoes sapiens.
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chibikitsune
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posted 4/23/2005 5:56:59 PM
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Wouldn't that be 'lack of scientific proof' proves the existence of god then? because it's only denying all the proofs that god doesn't exist, but it's not really proving that he does.
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deangelis
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posted 5/4/2005 4:09:23 AM
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Marco,
if consiousness doesn't,need the definition, could it all be relative? So when we say that the person "doesn't have the consciousness", it could only mean: as we understand it? And, following your thought, does that mean that if you have a conciousness, you beleive in God?
And do you beleive, that "everyone has a soul"?
I think that exactly because any human attempt to scientifically proove God's existense failed, is in itself
the best proof that it exists.
Do animals have soul?
"Qui veramente non esiste nulla di piccolo...
E cosi grande che la sua immagine non si puo trattenere nell'anima..."
Old man Goethe.
Forse non e vero, ma bel'parlato...
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