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American post's about russian movies - Американцы о наших фильмах
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wеrtеr
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 отправлено 16 Мар 2009 10:42:28 PM
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Я вот лазил, лазил по инету и зашёл на старые форум нде амеры делились впечатлениями о Брат и Брат 2 (посты ещё 2006 года) но интересно было почитать
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racist and full of plot holes
by sum_meus (Sat May 27 2006 22:08:58)
I simply cannot find much good to say about this movie besides its surface level entertainment value. Balabanov is clearly a racist, and if you read the fantastic article on the film's official website (in Russian) you will find statements that are simply not true about American race relations. At one point he claims that the word "watermellon" has become taboo here... I personally have never encountered a problem with the word "watermellon" and attach no race related meaning to it at all. He presumes to speak for Americans when he knows nothing. He is also woefully uninformed about the welfare system and affirmative action, obviously having read a handful of reactionary articles without doing any research into statistics. For example, half of Americans on welfare are white. The dialogue about how black people are closer to their natural instincts, and that's why they are so angry and powerful, is about on level with calling them animals. Maybe that's the Russian way of looking at it, but political correctness aside, that's racist. Issues of race aside, the movie was full of plot holes and loose ends. Danila kills a lot of henchmen, including shooting an innocent black man in the face because Danila doesn't want to pay for an illegal gun. But leaves the mob boss alive in the end, just as he seems to forget about justice for his murdered army buddy. In the latter case, he also lets the man responsible go, and never thinks about it again after he leaves for America. In between, you other posters are right, he doesn't sleep with any models. Instead he sleeps with television icons from Russian pop culture and the Chicago news. Why? Who knows, and furthermore, who cares. The most I got out of the film was, Russians are as clueless and ignorant about America as Americans are about Russia. If you feel like watching a Chechen war veteran wander the streets of Chicago killing nameless, faceless criminals usually without any real reason, and ultimately get to see him let all the bad men who are really responsible walk free, then please enjoy the film.
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отправлено 16 Мар 2009 10:46:56 PM
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А вот ещё о "расисте" Даниле
Daniila's racism
by belgamino (Thu Jul 20 2006 16:20:27)
I don't know about Balabanov but I am sure that Danila's character was supposed to be a racist. And Balabanov is a great director because he made this bastar d be loved by so much people. Russians, I am sorry to destroy your hero but not only is Danila racist but he's evil too.
In the first Brat, when Danila encounters the german old guy he says that he can't stand jews. And in the second Brat he buys weapons from a Nazi!! 
In Brat 2, what about the prostitute, he doesn't sleep with the russian woman, but even wounded he doesn't hesitate to f uck the black woman, even if he does still have his girlfriend waiting for him.
When is Danila evil?
Is it good morality for russians to commit adultery with someone else's woman? I am asking because in Brat 1, Daniila does it. Didn't the poet Pouchkin died because someone was courting his wife ? I guess heroes in Russia changed since this time. And if someone argues that Sveta was being beated by her husband, i say it's ok to commit adultery when the partner is being beaten by her legal companion?
In this same film, while he is still in love with Sveta he doesn't hesitate to party with some young prostitute, who does anything for money.
And then, when Sveta chases him out of her apartment because this hero thinks he can arrange everything with a gun shot, Daniila says to his german friend, "You said that the city was though, she would eat me alive, but i've only seen weak people". Let me tell you that Sveta had more guts than this moro n, because she expulsed not a hero but an assassin. For me she was stronger than him.
I guess, too, it's great for a russian hero to kill unarmed men. Western duels have to be boring in Russia. I say that because in Brat 1, Danila disarmed his assassins (like him, so being assassin is not an excuse to be killed that way) companions to be sure he will kill them. this is so heroic.
And in Bat 2 he does it again when robbing the guns from the gun dealer.
In conclusion, I am glad there will be no more Daniila Bagrov, he was not a good example. If you russian people want a hero, just watch Stalker. But I am sad too because there will be no more good soundtrack and photography.
Prosti menya potomou chto Ya lioubliou Rossia no ya nie lioubliou plojaii liudii.
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отправлено 16 Мар 2009 10:54:43 PM
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#3
У тебя есть какой-то вопрос по этому поводу?
Брат - обычный дурацкий боевик, а вот Брат-2 это полная чушь, ни в какие рамки не лезет, стыдно должно быть за такую муру.
Джеймс Бонд это как-бы комедия а эти пытаются на полном серьёзе, совсем сдурели. Бодров то погиб, его жалко, против него я ничего не имею, но сценарист полный урюк.
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отправлено 16 Мар 2009 10:55:14 PM
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А вот положительные отзывы
Brat 2 is a great movie - but not everyone can appreciate it, 21 April 2005
Author: s_rocketship from Atlanta, Georgia
Brat 2 is a nationalistic movie, but not in a bad way. The basic message is that life in Russia is NOT really worse than the un-realized American Dream that many Russian immigrants experience.
Although I read many reviews that deemed this movie "racist," I haven't seen a single reason presented. I'm sure some viewers from Los Angeles cannot comprehend that Danila's use of the Russian term "negr" is not to be confused with the extremely offensive English "n word." In Russian, "negr" is the appropriate and non-offensive way to refer to a black person - although it is very harsh on American ears.
In response to Danila's statement to the police, an American (non-Russian speaking) cop hears Danila use the word "negr." The cop confuses this statement as being racist and uses it to segway into a truly racist comment of his own. Just because a character makes a racist comment in a film does not mean that a movie's message is racist. This is a critique of race relations in the U.S., not a reason that this film is "racist."
The soundtrack is cool. I like most of the music on it, which includes some commercially successful Russian groups like: B2, Zemfira, and Krematory.
My only real criticism of Brat 2 is that many of the Americans are either portrayed as evil or stupid. This is most likely in direct response to how Russians are repeatedly portrayed in American cinema - either as gangsters or stupid (Yakhov Smirnov-esquire characters).
Overall, this film has a very positive message - one of loyalty, anti-materialism, honesty, and friendship. How is that negative? 
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отправлено 16 Мар 2009 10:59:31 PM
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Dan, я с тобой согласен полностью что вторая часть по сюжету отстой полнейшей. Просто мне было интересно эти посты почитать. Всё таки американское понятие русских фильмов отличаеться от наших. 
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отправлено 16 Мар 2009 10:59:33 PM
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Ещё мне понравился этот пост
Sergei Bodrov Jr. was a real movie star., 23 May 2003
Author: billcody from seattle, wa
I just watched Brat 2 after ordering a copy from a Russian video store in New York and I was not disappointed.
I saw Brat on the International Channel a couple of months ago and was blown away. Ever since I've had been trying to hunt down a copy of Brat 2. While these films are not technically perfect they have a rough hewn charm that no longer exists in most American films. (The lone exception from last year being Spike Jones' Adapation.) Then there's Sergei Bodrov Jr. it is a damn shame that he died last year (along with his film crew in an avalanche) because he was a major talent. He is so damn watchable and the unrelenting honesty of the Danila character makes for a compelling anti-hero in the brother movies that reminds this viewer of the great days of early Brando and Paul Newman.
Once again I will remind people to look at the actual vote rating for this film and ignore the silly IMDB weighted total. (The weighted average seems to be based on the strength of the Top 1000 voters whoever they are - it is not however a true weighted average in a classic math sense.) This film may not be perfect but it is one hell of a ride.
[Message edited by werter on 3/16/2009 11:02:28 PM]
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отправлено 16 Мар 2009 11:15:02 PM
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Я не знаю ни одного американца, который посмотрел русский фильм. Они даже французские переснимают по-новой для американцев, со своими актерами. Британские смотрят, ну и всё, пожалуй.
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отправлено 16 Мар 2009 11:25:20 PM
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#8
Дэн наверное в основном смотрят те кто учат русский язык.
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отправлено 17 Мар 2009 1:01:42 AM
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согласен с Дэнни что это дурацкий боевик. но если его смотреть как комедию, то прикольно. а амеры что-то не на то обратили внимание, все о своей больной теме расизма. 
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отправлено 17 Мар 2009 1:54:48 AM
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так я про это и говорю, как отреагировали американцы, на обычный казалось боевик
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отправлено 17 Мар 2009 4:05:41 AM
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Чем отличается гениальное произведение от любого другого (хорошего, плохого, талантливого, никчемного и пр...)?
На мой взгляд тем, что во-первых, оно не стареет, во-вторых, всегда вызывает шквал самых противоречивых отзывов. Фильм "Брат" имеет все признаки гениальности. Это не комедия и не тупой боевик. Кровавость и агрессия здесь нарочитые, китчевые, так же, как образы и характеры персонажей. Этот фильм нельзя рассматривать буквально, это не рассказ о том "как на самом деле было", это такой русский комикс, лубок. Надо иметь довольно интересного устройства голову, чтобы строить свои представления об Америке по фильмам Тарантино, а о Японии по фильмам Такеси Китано. Точно так же "Братья" - это далеко не "энциклопедия русской жизни".
[Message edited by Aton on 3/17/2009 4:08:47 AM]
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