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Serega13
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 posted 9/3/2007 2:48:58 AM
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Perhaps american healthcare system is good? After all US spends more on healthcare than any other country in the world. Overall health in US is rated 72nd in the world by World Health Organization and US is the only developed western country with no free universal healthcare.
Education - I can relate personal experience, I went to a pretty well-off suburban highscool with brand new computers in every classroom. First year after moving to US I was the only one in my geography class who knew what the population of USA was. That same first year after coming to this country I took SAT test, which revealed that I was top 97% in English and 99% math in my class. And I don't claim to be super smart or having studied a lot, I never liked studying.
The reason education is so underfunded in this country is that powers-to-be don't want educated public. They want dumb consumers who spend their time watching tv, playing video games or shopping, but they definately don't want the public to have the mental capacity or curiosity to inquire and understand the ways they are getting screwed by corporate interests and how corrupt the government really is. Public is too used to having media do all the legwork, except media doesn't care anymore, they are owned by the same people mentioned above.
I can go on like this for 5 full pages, but it really doesn't make a difference, public has been brainwashed and zombified and so the great Republic that was the US is now in a deep coma.
The greatest trick Republicans ever pulled off is they got the poor to vote for them. Republicans represent the top 1% of the economic food chain and yet people who call themselves middle class (who have long been turned into a lower class, they just don't realize it) vote for the very people who screw them out of their hard earned money. Let's take Brad for example, you say you are a republican, well your party destroyed the republic, screwed you on taxes (with your income you shouldn't be paying any) and will draft you into the army and ship you off to middle east if they get their way. They've also generated largest national debt in history all the while claiming that they want small government. But for me - I got a much bigger tax return than I could have expected from democrats and republicans are working hard to make sure my company is alive and kicking. but I would still never vote for them for one simple reason - I'd rather vote for mediocrity that is Democratic party than vote for pure evil that is Republican party. But since voting doesn't work in this country anymore - it really doesn't matter, does it.
[Message edited by Serega13 on 9/3/2007 3:07:09 AM]
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Àêàêèé
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posted 9/3/2007 3:58:27 AM
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>>P.S. Akakii, I know who you are talking about, but one thing >>I don't understand is who in the right state of mind would want to live in manhattan? Cool
uhu Serega, i don't think you know those guys:-) they are neighobors of some frioends inm NJ
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Àêàêèé
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posted 9/3/2007 4:07:57 AM
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yeap, general free education in usa sucks! i(and Sheriff) could show a bunch of blacks boys who know 3-4 languages and much smarter than local guys in america(unfortuneltely)
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brad62
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posted 9/3/2007 8:56:58 AM
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" Brad, I wish things were that simple. America has already gone down in every way with the only thing that's missing is economic collapse, but it's not far way. It gives me no pleasure to say these things and I really don't care what people think about me, but someone has to say it.
Free country you say? Let's see - Patriot Act took away 6 amendments all of which used to protect freedom. You are still protected from having to provide quarter to foreign soldiers, but you can be imprisoned, tortured and killed without trial or a jury should someone finger you as a terrorist, no proof needed by the way.
Media - all of the parent companies of every single news network in US donated money to Bush. GE owns NBC, they have benefitted greatly from disaster in Iraq, makes you wonder why they are still against troop pullout. I don't even need to bring up Halliburton which made 100s of millions for Cheney in return for a war they wanted.
Free elections - last 2 elections were rigged. CEO of Diebold, the company that makes voting machines openly said that his machines will deliver a victory for Bush, he also donated money to his campaign. Media was quiet about this by the way.
Democracy - no such thing, not in this country anyway. Can you vote to end Iraq war? No? You were lied to when they said you live in democracy. 6 years ago this was a Republic with oligarhs running it, now that's republic is dead thanks to Bush, it's just an oligarhy, next step - totalitarian state.
Economy? 30+ trillion in debt and counting...more debt than all of the rest of the world combined.
World peace maybe? US is number one weapon producer in the world and currently spends more on it's war machine than the rest of the world combined. US has 831 military bases around the world, with bases in middle east being the main reason why muslims hate america.
9/11? Inside job, they did the same thing nazis did to get Hitler the power he needed to start the war. False flag attacks are CIA's favorite operations, they've done them 100s of times, installing dictators who favor US companies all over the world is hard work. Did I mention that Rumsfield supplied Saddam Hussein with weapons? "
I'm not disputing a single word here. But, America is not going to collapse any time soon. Do you know how we could reduce our debt? We could stop giving 30 million a day to Israel.
During the treaty of Yalta in 1949, We offered the State of Alaska as their own Country. Free and clear. They refused it. Dummies. They're probably kicking themselves in their asses now.
Arms dealers? I seem to remember a few other big dealers. Russia, China. Jesh, I think those are major players also.
And I've never once said I support the war in Iraq. I do support the President. But that's by default.I have supported every President we have had. Good " Reagan " and bad. I.E. " Clinton "
But you're trying to confuse the issue here with your F.S.B. propaganda. Or maybe we should start another topic? Conspiracy theories would be a nice one. What do you think? Should we give that one a try?
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Serega13
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posted 9/3/2007 2:16:54 PM
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How is anything I say a conspiracy theory, these facts are available online at respected sites like wikipedia.
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brad62
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posted 9/3/2007 3:29:46 PM
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9/11? Inside job, they did the same thing nazis did to get Hitler the power he needed to start the war. False flag attacks are CIA's favorite operations, they've done them 100s of times, installing dictators who favor US companies all over the world is hard work. Did I mention that Rumsfield supplied Saddam Hussein with weapons? "
You did get two things right here. Hitler did, and Rumsfield. But if you believe everything on the web as truth? I guess you are not as educated as you say.
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Bourgeois
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posted 9/13/2007 5:08:30 PM
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** During the cold war, I never saw the fight as a good guys vs bad guys, only small children and people who voted for Bush believe in such nonsense, it was two evil empires fighting for the title of the last evil empire remaining. US won...**
That is about me I voted for Bush twice. And I’ll vote for republicans again and again, because I think the worst republican is better than the best democrat. Democrats now are socialists. Socialism is not freedom because socialists want to make everybody live in socialism like it or not. Republicans prefer freedom. It doesn’t mean they wish to ban socialism or communism or any other ideas. If you like socialism or communism you are welcome to establish socialist (communist) community and live under your rules (Amish community and kibbutz in Israel are good examples), but don’t make people who don’t want it, live by your rules.
**now that's republic is dead thanks to Bush, it's just an oligarhy, next step - totalitarian state.**
It means you know now America is not.
Unfortunately I was born and grow up in the Soviet Russia. The USSR was the totalitarian state. When I was 21, I started to think how I could escape from the soviet slavery. Only in 12 years with the help of America and Israel I could forever leave the Devil Empire. Most my emigrant friends are former “otkasniks” who spent more then ten years in “otkas” – Soviet Russia didn’t allow them to immigrate. Only Nazi Germany treated its people the same way. Can you remind me when American citizens needed visa to leave America? If you think it will be next step – leave America now.
** Free elections - last 2 elections were rigged.**
If you think that power in America is seized by a small group of capitalists and there is no deferens between republicans and democrats why do you care if elections rigged or not?
** Democracy - no such thing, not in this country anyway. Can you vote to end Iraq war? **
And I can’t vote for American army to attack Iran. It means no democracy in America? But at this point you have an excuse – you were born and grew up in the state where Democracy never existed, where people even don’t know what Democracy are and Freedom and political thoughts are still in the Middle Ages.
Economic. I’m a businessman and know economy only a little bit, but a person thinking 3 000 000 000 000 debt can be reduced by not helping one of our most important allays (Israel), don’t understand in economyether. Our help to Israel is 30 million per day – 0.12% of our debt. If we stop to spend money for Israel our dept could disappear in 822 years.
[Message edited by Bourgeois on 9/13/2007 5:10:30 PM]
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Bourgeois
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posted 9/13/2007 5:10:55 PM
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**… free universal healthcare**
There is no free health care in the world. Doctor costs money, nurse costs money, medical equipments cost money, drugs cost money, everything costs money. If you got medical care and didn’t pay for it, it means somebody else did. In socialist state bureaucrats grab your money (you like it or not) and then they decide how much “free health care” you can get. We live in free country and you are welcome to make “free health care” in your future socialist kibbutz (or how you will name it).
I pay $930 per month for medical insurance for me and my wife. For this money we get the best medicine treatment in the world. I know what I’m talking about – last month I have been several times in the hospital (I almost broke my right wrist during boat accident, my son had surgery – hernia, my daughter-in-law is pregnant - every two week she is in hospital for checking.)
And my 87 old mother in Moscow was hospitalized too. It cost me and my brother $5000 , because the “free” health care couldn’t find what was wrong with her and preferred to let her die in pain. She worked for this f*cken Russia almost 50 years, and now they can’t help her because she is too old. God bless America and American medicine.
Education. My 3 sons came to America at age 9, 4 and 3. They graduated public American schools and American colleges. And I’m not so old to forget Russian horror school and college and I can compare Russian education to American one. I envy my children.
Only in the USSP soviet authorities killed several tens of millions of people. With the help of the USSR communists killed more than 100 millions people all over the world. (God bless America for stopping this murdering.)
Only sick person (mentally sick) can say about USSR and USA: “…it was two evil empires…”.
Unfortunately majority of Russian people are this kind of mentally sick (paranoiacs). That”s why Russian intellectuals (Hertsen, Turgenev and other) said: “It is a shame to be Russian”.
**I can go on like this for 5 full pages, but it really doesn't make a difference, public has been brainwashed and zombified and so the great Republic that was the US is now in a deep coma.**
Please, write down as much as you can. One of my friend is a psychiatrist and I‘d like to know his opinion.
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Bourgeois
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posted 9/13/2007 5:12:24 PM
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brad62
9/11? Inside job, they did the same thing nazis did to get Hitler the power he needed to start the war. False flag attacks are CIA's favorite operations, they've done them 100s of times, installing dictators who favor US companies all over the world is hard work. Did I mention that Rumsfield supplied Saddam Hussein with weapons? "
You did get two things right here. Hitler did, and Rumsfield. But if you believe everything on the web as truth? I guess you are not as educated as you say.
No, Brad, not all this kind of people are full time paranoiacs. I know several people who call themselves “liberals” and they have been absolutely normal and some of them even smart in common life. But when they began to speak about politic … good bye common sense, good bye intellect, good bye decency, welcome paranoia. Any anti-American nonsense (9/11 - inside job, 3000 killed innocent people are small Eihmans, aids is CIA secret weapon etc, etc, etc.) accepted. I think it is a kind of schizophrenia.
Serega, I think, is just looser, who hates and blames everybody and everything for this. And this position is guaranty that he will be looser forever.
In 1984-1988 I had a partner - we together rent one workshop. He was from Montevideo (Uruguay). I called him Che Gevara because he was left then communists. (Spent several years in Uruguayan prison) But he was a very nice and honest guy. All our partnership was verbal – we didn’t spend money for lawyers. We trust each other. We even had the same safe. We could discus everything – our families, life in S. America and Russia, art… anything except politic. When he started his political “talk show” my first wish was to grab my wallet and put it into deeper pocket.
By the way, when Che Gevara was killed I was pissed off… I wanted to kill him.
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brad62
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posted 9/13/2007 9:40:40 PM
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Did your wife give you my address?
It's a P.O.Box
But, It's real.
No #ullshit here on my part. I'm real, and I speak my mind.
East Coast of America is awesome, people. The best place to live. Ever.
All the way from, Key West, Florida., to, Calais, Maine.
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Serega13
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posted 9/14/2007 12:53:14 AM
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Bourgeois presents typical mentality of a slave, this is the ultimate goal of any totalitarian state machine - turn it's populace into slaves. You decided to run away from your old dark masters the USSR and now you are bowing down to your new dark masters the USA, so go ahead - shit on the old master, praise the new.
Thanks for going out of your way to respond with highly intellectual commentary such as and I quote: "he's a looser" (I know your English is at the 3rd grade level, but for future reference it's spelled with a single O) and "I know a good psychiatrist", I'm sure your intelligence couldn't have produced a more educated answer. Perhaps you should talk to your kids who (if what you say is in fact true) can use their awesome American education to give you some pointers on punctuation and English grammar. I would also recommend reading more books and staying away from state-controlled fox news channel, but I'm afraid your case is completely hopeless and you may only have a chance for salvation in the next life in the form of a cockroach.
The point you've missed is that US has lost it's moral high ground. Not that it ever had it but now it's a world leader in name only. The new age that will see US fade into a mediocre used-to be has begun and it kills you that all your efforts of Russia-bashing and US-brownnosing would have been a complete waste so you choose to insult my intelligence with your 3rd grade "you are stupid" posts. Have a nice day killing living things on your "hunts" perhaps you should consider hunting with your dreamy idol of a man Dick Chaney.
[Message edited by Serega13 on 9/14/2007 1:04:31 AM]
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brad62
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posted 9/14/2007 1:07:13 AM
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Serega, sorry for the misspelling. But, allow me to retort.
I'm neither broke, poor, uneducated,or, simple
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Serega13
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posted 9/14/2007 1:21:22 AM
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Retort what? I haven't called you broke, poor, uneducated or simple, I have been replying to posts by Bourgeois only.
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brad62
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posted 9/14/2007 1:27:45 AM
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Opps, I thought you were refering to me
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euddoggwyn
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posted 9/17/2007 12:45:32 AM
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Hi Sherriff. i am new to this site, this board, this everything. I'm replying to this post because you seem to be conversant in russian Oil and this was the last post that I saw. Pardon me if I'm not doing this right.
I am looking for a Russian speaker to research two Russian companies with me. You can google my alias to reach me at another sight, don't want to spam. I thought you would know someone.
The company i want to know more about is NWOG Northwest Oil Group. I can research, translate in Russian, but I'm hoping to get someone interested in posting for the public on the companies i am looking at. I will translate this on a translation engine:
Ïðèâåò Øåððèôô. ÿ ðàä íîâîé äëÿ ýòîãî ñàéòà - ýòî áîðòó ýòîãî âñå. ß îòâå÷àÿ íà ýòîò ïîñò, òàê êàê âû, ïî-âèäèìîìó, çíàêîìû â ðóññêèé íåôòè, è ýòî áûëî ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå, ÷òî ÿ âèäåë. Ïîìèëîâàíèå ìåíÿ, åñëè ÿ íå äåëàåò ýòîãî ïðàâà.
ß èùó Ðîññèéñêîé îðàòîð èññëåäîâàíèé äâóõ ðîññèéñêèõ êîìïàíèé ñî ìíîé. Ìîæíî google ìîé ïñåâäîíèì äîñòè÷ü ìåíÿ, íå õî÷ó ñïàìà. ß äóìàëà, âû çíàåòå. Êîìïàíèè ÿ õî÷ó óçíàòü áîëüøå î òîì, NWOG Ñåâåðî-Çàïàä íåôòÿíîé ãðóïïû. ß ìîãó èññëåäîâàíèé, ïåðåâåñòè íà ðóññêèé, íî ÿ íàäåÿñü, ÷òîáû êòî-òî çàèíòåðåñîâàí â ïóáëèêàöèè äëÿ îáùåñòâåííîñòè thecompanies ÿ èùó â. ÿ Ïåðåâåäåì ýòî íà ïåðåâîä äâèãàòåëÿ:
sorry if this is the wrong thread
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jane666666
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posted 9/19/2007 5:27:37 AM
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íèêàê íå ïîéìó, áåäñòâóþò íûí÷å æèòåëè Àìåðèêè íà 50 000 $ èëè ñíîñíî æèâóò? ìîæåò ïîðà ïîìîùü â ïîñûëêàõ ïîñûëàòü?
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Bourgeois
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posted 10/21/2007 10:12:10 PM
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**Bourgeois presents typical mentality of a slave, this is the ultimate goal of any totalitarian state machine - turn it's populace into slaves. You decided to run away from your old dark masters the USSR and now you are bowing down to your new dark masters the USA, so go ahead - shit on the old master, praise the new.**
I believe you decided I have a “mentality of a slave” because I support our president Bush and republicans. That would mean I got a “mentality of a slave” on 1/20/2001 when Mr. George W. Bush became the president. Before 2001 I didn’t support our democrat government (except the operation in Yugoslavia), so for 8 years of Clinton I didn’t have a “mentality of slave”. If, God forbid, the next government is democratic I again will not have a “mentality of slave”.
** Thanks for going out of your way to respond with highly intellectual commentary such as and I quote: "he's a looser" (I know your English is at the 3rd grade level, but for future reference it's spelled with a single O) and "I know a good psychiatrist", I'm sure your intelligence couldn't have produced a more educated answer. Perhaps you should talk to your kids who (if what you say is in fact true) can use their awesome American education to give you some pointers on punctuation and English grammar. **
Is that all you can say to prove that there is no democracy in America? Because, you haven’t said much. But, I can help you. I speak three languages and I make mistakes in all these languages, so you can use this fact as the proof that our president blasted Twins.
By the way, in the beginning of the 20th century somebody (rabbis?) mailed the letter to Tsar about lawlessness in Russia. The answer was: “You glued the stamp upside-down”. So your reaction is typically barbarian Russian.
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Bourgeois
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posted 10/21/2007 10:17:04 PM
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** I would also recommend reading more books and staying away from state-controlled fox news channel**
I took your advice and ordered the book ‘If Democrats Had Any Brains, They’d Be Republicans’ by Ann Coulter. Before I read ‘The Race and The Pride’ by Oriana Fallaci and started ‘America Alone’ by Mark Steyn, and ‘Atlas Shrugged’ by Ayn Rand is waiting for me. But from time to time I read libs too, for example articles by left swindler Stephen F. Cohen. And a few weeks ago I thought to buy ‘The Shock Doctrine, The Rise of Disaster Capitalism’ by Naomi Kline, but then I read half of the page in the middle of this book and find three author’s lies. So I decided not to spend time for this far left paranoia. Read this book you will love it.
I don’t know what you mean “state controlled channel” (by White House? by Congress?). If you mean government controlled, it is nonsense – party or other group of people can control channel, the government can’t. 90% of our media is controlled by democrats, but it doesn’t mean that during Clinton our media was controlled by the government.
** Have a nice day killing living things on your "hunts" perhaps you should consider hunting with your dreamy idol of a man Dick Chaney.**
I have to tell you inconvenient truth. Before you order steak in a restaurant, somebody kills an innocent cow. Then cuts and takes out from this cow its guts, lungs, heart, liver, takes off its skin, cuts off its head. Then somebody cuts the corpse to pieces (in the beginning with an electric saw to crush bones, then with a knife to cut the cow flesh). Then somebody takes a piece of the cow flesh and puts it on a fire. And all these cruelties are made by your order.
I‘d be happy to hunt with Mr. Chaney. It is much safer than to ride in a car with Ted Kennedy (if you see what I mean).
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Serega13
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posted 10/23/2007 1:09:39 PM
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I have to admit, I have never met an immigrant who turned into a complete redneck, until now that is.
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Àêàêèé
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posted 10/24/2007 2:03:12 PM
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Serega, who knows.. maybe it's the future? another 20-30 years and maybe you(me, others) will be the same(or think the same) as Burgeois?
meybe we need to emigrate from usa before we turne complete rednecks too?
BTW, Burgeois is right about cows.
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