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Hello Everyone! Russia, Bush, tax cuts
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Serega13
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 posted 3/30/2004 10:24:12 AM
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What has bush done wrong? Eveything... He used 9/11 to gain popularity, he first IGNORED terrorist threat when he was told numerous times that something was going down soon, and when it happened he went after all the wrong people in all the wrong ways. Also I find it discusting how draft-dodger sends young boys to die for NOTHING just to gain a few percent of popularity for upcoming elections. If you think Iraq is fixed now, you have another thing coming, look at Yugoslaviya and Afganistan, they are much worse off than before Bush sent his troops. Warmonger with 3rd grade education who's in bed with big business? Yeah, that's the ticket. Country has 500 billion deficit, he keeps starting wars half way across the world and he's doing tax cuts? Brilliant. I vote we stop paying taxes at all, maybe that will help 
P.S. Funny thing is, if this was your average American-run message board, all of us would have been banned for justg speaking our minds.
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Sheriff
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posted 3/30/2004 11:04:45 AM
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 I like SuperDave already. He's like one of those "keep-up with the Joneses" typical american guys: no financial clue, as long as external signs are OK. If a guy in a serious car accident is breathing, it doesn't mean he won't die soon from internal bleeding.  
Let's see...US currency lost 25% in one year - that will result in gas prices being up that much, if not more.
10% unemployment in Europe is normal, as people spend a lot less - houses are smaller, cars are smaller, public transportation, etc.
In US, 6% unemplyment rate is an out lie, what is not included in this number is people who "retired" because they couldn't find jobs, people who moved - physically or legally - to foreign countries in order not to pay US taxes, people who had to take jobs at McDonalds because computer jobs are no longer there, and their spouse can't support a family on one salary, etc.
I pointed this out before how US "deals" with economic downturns. It finds an enemy or declares a small war somewhere. Then military spending skyrockets and lots more people are hired into defense industry. That "fake gross product" number is then added to nationalt product to make it look like the downturn was small, and good times are back. Then US consumer goes back into shopping spree, and finances US economy back on track. I don't think it will work this time around. But beware of China and terrorism anyway. 
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Sheriff
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posted 3/30/2004 11:19:55 AM
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Dave: I have not been subjected to lifelong propoganda
 Always thought highly of American propaganda
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Serega13
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posted 3/30/2004 12:14:02 PM
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You have been, Dave, remember when Iraq war started - each news channel had a military "analyst" (censor) working with them to make sure no "unpatriotic" footage was aired - such as dead people, burned down houses, dead American sodiers, dead Iraqis, blown up tanks, etc, etc. European mass media was showing all of that no problem... Also each interview with a soldier was exactly the same - that is because soldiers were told EXACTLY what to say to the camera and NOTHING more. If that is not propaganda, I don't know what is? Wakey, wakey. 
[Message edited by Serega13 on 3/30/2004 12:16:21 PM]
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SuperDave
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posted 3/30/2004 2:18:11 PM
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Sergie, look In 1993, the World Trade Centers were bombed. Clinton's response: NOTHING. Somolia: 19 US soldiers killed by islamic savages and bodies dragged through the street. Clinton's response: LET'S GET OUT OF HERE! Tanzania and Kenya embasies blown up killing more than 200 (12 Americans) and injuring nearly 5000. Clinton's response: SHOOT $1MILLION MISSLES INTO A BUNCH OF EMPTY TERRORIST TRAINING CAMPS AND BLOW UP DRUG FACTORY IN SUDAN THAT WE NOW KNOW TO BE NOTHING. The USS Cole Blown of by homicide islamic Yemeni savages. Clinton's response: NOTHING!
What do you think the terrorists learned from Clinton? That they could routinely kill US civilians and get away with it. So they began planning more bolder attacks. Next thing you know, 19 islamic savages fly 4 of our planes into some of the most magnificent structures ever built. But the terrorists didn't expect such a massive response to the taking of 3023 American lives. George Bush has shown the savages that only respond to violence what REAL violence is all about. And we haven't been attacked since. 50 million people in the former dictatorships of Afghanastan and Iraq are now more free.
It's funny how the USA liberated Afghanastan and are called imperialist, but Russia actually tried to annex Afghanastan (and got their asses kicked by 3rd world savages)and have never been called an empire by you lefties. The world all of you liberals are living in is a safer world thanks to George W. Bush but your hatred of him will never allow you to admit it.
Did any of you know that Bill Clinton actually fired an African Ambassador, a Black man, over the phone for sexual harrassment. At the time this firing took place, he was getting a BJ from Monica. And you guys liked HIM more than Bush? Can I have some of what you're on?
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Àêàêèé
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posted 3/30/2004 2:53:11 PM
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Dave,
So what's your opinion about American soldiers killing civilians and then killing themselves? Is this called "freeing" people? (from their lifes?)
"19 islamic savages fly 4 of our planes"
Still nobody knows what happened exactly. A proffessional pilot(I personally know him) said that it would be close to impossible even for him to complete such task. It looked like a joke for him those "islamic" students without completion the pilot school and flying precisely into the buildings.
Also, why did every Israeli citizen leave the building priot the crashes? There are many other shady facts about this case.
Just the way how you and many others call them "islamic savages", shows that whoever stands behind that tragedy, accomplished what they wanted - to create hate among americans to islamic countries, so now you can do whatever you want there.
Clinton must had done stupid things too,
at least he was good with Monica BJ
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Serega13
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posted 3/30/2004 2:54:08 PM
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How can you be so blind? Terrorists won, don't you understand that? They wanted Bush to do exactly what he did, and he bought it. They wanted US to go to Afganistan and Iraq - this created more hatred towards US, they wanted US troops to die in battle, life is worth nothing in middle east - look at suicide bombers, they wanted Bush to get Saddam, because unlike what Bush told you on TV - Saddam was terrorist's enemy and only WMD he had were what US Government sold to him back in the day and he already used it all up. So far everything Bush has done was exactly what they wanted. US going to Afganistan and Iraq mostly hurt locals, 1000s of them die every month, but I guess it doesn't matter, Americans only care about dead Americans. People in Iraq and Afganistan more free you say? First - you don't know that, second they certainly die a lot more now... And stop using that word "liberal" - first you don't know what it means, second - you should go outside your little town, travel the world, visit Afganistan, Iraq, Russia, live there, come back and then you'll have to agree with everything we've said here. Untill then I feel like I'm talking to US propaganda machine that, according to you, doesn't exist
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Sheriff
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posted 3/30/2004 3:03:39 PM
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President SHOULD be getting BJs, from monica or not. He is a president, and if no woman considers him attractive enough for a BJ, he shouldn't be one.
Anyway, there are terrorists in Chechnya in Russia now, but if Russian would deside to attack another country, your hypocrite leaders here would scream their lungs out about communism. It is highly hypocritical to do something that you accuse others of doing. There weren't any weapons of mass distruction (only of political distraction) in Iraq, and everybody knew it. And terrorism was around the world long before 9-11. But it was only beneficial to some to play this card now - and that is an absolute political hypocrisy.
OK, let me get this straight: Clinton was actually messing up with Tansania, Somalia, Kenya and Sudan? What the freak US was doing in these countries? Diamonds and oil, we know. So you just accuse Russia of attacking Afghanistan some 20 years ago, but don't see that your own country is messing aroung in every other African country??? Get the heck outa here.
Dave, you havent answered me what you mean by "freedom", I guess it is because you don't know what the heck it is.
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Serega13
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posted 3/30/2004 3:06:21 PM
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Oh and the only difference between US going to Afganistan now and Russia 20 years ago is that back then US supplied weapons to Taliban and Russia is not doing that now. Liberate Afganistan? that's the funniest thing ever, so did Comunist party say when they went to Afganistan. Within days of moving in, Russians controlled 90% of territory, everything except mountains in the south. Guess what, Americans to this day don't control even half the country and they will eventually be forced to withdraw. If you think Afgans like Americans better than Russians - you are naive.
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Sheriff
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posted 3/30/2004 3:09:17 PM
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If Dave would've been that american vessel who was attacked, he'd be at the bottom of the sea by now, he's got so many holes.
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posted 3/30/2004 3:39:01 PM
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Sherif let's like not attack peoples personally
If you were born in America, you'd probably had different values and be protecting or excusing your government (Bush) too because you'd get really worried more about gas price for your truck, who gives a shit about the rest of the world?
"President SHOULD be getting BJs, from monica or not. He is a president"
Yep!!! I also read an article that another reason why G. Bush does not like Saadam is that Saadam spends time with dozens of beautiful girls, but unfortunetely american presidents are not allowed for that....
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SuperDave
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posted 3/30/2004 6:22:36 PM
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Oh, wow. A conspiracy theory wacko! I get a better understanding of your mind set now.
Super Dave
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SuperDave
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posted 3/30/2004 9:04:36 PM
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I guess if you were guarding the deck of the USS Cole, and a couple of militant bombers came at you, you would just hold up a PEACE sign. If you're married, I hope that rapists don't try to hurt your family or rape your wife. They'll just laugh at your PEACE sign.
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SuperDave
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posted 3/30/2004 9:11:02 PM
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The US military does not target civilians. Though some civilians do get killed, it is not our intention to harm them. We just want to kill the murderous factions that control certain countries, namely Afghanastan, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Syria. Some bad people are in control of these countries. If the US wanted to target civilians, we's use nukes. We have them. We could kill everyone in every country but our own tommorow if we wanted to and no one could stop us. The fact that we don't should tell you that we don't want to hurt innocent life.
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SuperDave
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posted 3/30/2004 10:39:44 PM
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Sergie said
"P.S. Funny thing is, if this was your average American-run message board, all of us would have been banned for justg speaking our minds."
Try the forum at protestwarrior.com or freerepublic.com. If you think I'm hard to deal with, those guys will rip 2 new *******s in your liberal ass. You can feel free to post whatever you want there. You see, at conservative forums, there are no moderators (opinion censors). There are no censored opinions-- commie or conservative. Just debate.
Super Dave
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SuperDave
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posted 3/30/2004 10:48:48 PM
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Sergie said
"Americans to this day don't control even half the country "
Americans don't want to control ANY of that filthy contry. We just want terrorists to leave us alone and we'll leave.
We control ALL the areas of Afghanastan that WE WANT to control. Afghanastan will never be part of the USA. Russia DID try to annex Afghanastan because that's what communist regimes do. They take over other countries and make them part of the whole. Ronald Reagan supported the Northern Alliance not the Taliban. Get your facts straight. Reagan fought communism on every front possible and it worked. Just ask Gorbachev. More people are free now thanks to the policies of Reagan and Bush. You Know it.
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SuperDave
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posted 3/30/2004 10:53:05 PM
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Akakiy said
" A proffessional pilot(I personally know him) said that it would be close to impossible even for him to complete such task. It looked like a joke for him those "islamic" students without completion the pilot school and flying precisely into the buildings.
Also, why did every Israeli citizen leave the building priot the crashes?"
Do you play video games? There's a game called flight simulator. If you can play this good, it simulates precisely what it's like to actually be in the cockpit of various civilian and military aircraft. Get good at this game and you really can fly a plane. No joking.
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SuperDave
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posted 3/31/2004 2:42:46 AM
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Difference Between Republicans and Democrats
A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.
The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and gave the homeless person fifty dollars.
Now you understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats
Super Dave
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SuperDave
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posted 3/31/2004 3:18:49 AM
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Akakiy Said
"Saadam spends time with dozens of beautiful girls,"
Yeah, he and his sons routinely raped them! Nice to know you're so sympathetic to serial rapists but have no love for GW Bush, the man who put an end to the "rape-rooms", torture chambers, summary executions, etc. Think about how twisted your values are. How do you sleep at night?
Super Dave
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SuperDave
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posted 3/31/2004 3:22:42 AM
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Sergei Said,
"Saddam was terrorist's enemy and only WMD he had were what US Government sold to him back in the day and he already used it all up."
If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People
by John Hawkins
Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq, a lot of the anti-war/anti-Bush crowd is saying that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent Democrats, who have told the same "lies" since the inspectors pulled out of Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples that prove that the Bush administration didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction...
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuc
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