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Sheriff
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 posted 12/28/2005 10:02:30 AM
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I know there's quite a few "native" americans visiting our site, so I'd like to lurk all of you in for a discussion.
The question of the day:
What do you think about russian mail order brides? What do you think about russian women in general? Would you marry (did you) a russian woman, and why?
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Olgaa
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posted 12/28/2005 4:19:38 PM
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I know.
Americans like Russian women because they are the best vodka drinkers.
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Акакий
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posted 12/28/2005 4:54:35 PM
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Шери, а зачем тебе такие сведения? типа маркет ресерч? хочешь все за счет ошибок других познать:-)
бывают очень интересние амеры. кто-то на них все жаловался тут. А вот тут одна русская тетенька замужем, типа мэйл-брайд возможно. он ее везде отпускает, даже на ночь и даже на новый год. Вот Олгаа позавидует:-) не мущина, а мечта любителницы стриптиза:-)
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Leny
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posted 1/9/2006 3:08:15 PM
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Alright, my “fify” cents; so, I am talking to my friend in the bar in Florida (we both came for another friend’s wedding). My Friend (let’s call him D) is a successful patent attorney from CA, has 2 doctorates etc. but, never been married or laid (I think). D talks about how badly he needs to get laid, and that he works too much, making money, but has no love in his life. So, as a good friend, I proceed to make fun of his problems. I also, bring up a trip to Moscow, suggesting that he can easily get laid with a pretty girl without commitment and “for cheap.” But, I am also telling him that him being desperate for “love” and “affection” makes him a perfect target for getting “screwed” in more that one way. And knowing his desperate situation, I can only imagine what he can agree to as “she” f..ing his brains out. He agrees that it is a dangerous situation and proceeds to get drunk out of his mind. As you can see there is no moral to this story. The only “truth” is that mail order brides are a “desperate” solution for some “desperate” people. If you have nothing to loose-it might be an option, but if you’re making six-figure incomes and have some stability in your life, the sky is the limit to what you can loose. (depending on the state you leave in) If you can’t find happiness here, it is very unlikely you can find it there…
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dan123
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posted 1/9/2006 7:51:48 PM
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Leny, leave or live? Just want to clear what do you mean.
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Leny
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posted 1/10/2006 9:20:56 AM
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sorry, meant "live" 
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Sheriff
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posted 1/10/2006 10:11:07 AM
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Leny, define "happiness".
Я знаю достаточное количество нормальных мужиков - не ботаников-девственников - которые отсюда ездили за женой в Россию...точнее возьмём шире, в быв. Союз. А чего в этом плохого - привезти воспитанную русскоязычную длинноногую, на которую у него здесь шансов даже после первого миллиона навряд...
Короче Акакия спросите, он поделится
Я всё ожидаю что женская половина сюда кинется с кирками "да как вы могли...!"
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Акакий
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posted 1/10/2006 10:50:43 AM
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Шери, при чем тут акакий?:-)
видимо надо сначала определить что такое
"мэйл-ордер брайд". Если амер сьездил в россию и привез тетку, это совсем не значит что он конченный десперадо. Знаю нескольких амеров которые женились на амерских бабах с которыми познакомились в местных барах и т.п.. "мэйл-ордер брайдс" все-таки получше бывают:-) амер который нашел силы и средства поехать в чужую страну и что-то замутить не такой уж и лузер как может показаться с первого взгляда.
Leny, if a guy does not have a 6fig income, why does he have to settle for some butt-ugly honey from a sports bar?
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Leny
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posted 1/10/2006 1:46:54 PM
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All I am saying is that if you (by certain age) can’t find someone to be with, there is a great likelihood that there is something wrong with YOU. And bringing a cute chick (bride) from abroad is not a solution, but an opening for a disaster. Further, most Americans (especially the ones who travel out of the country to get laid) view foreigners as somewhat beneath themselves. (I am not saying that’s the rule; just probability). So the “bride” might get herself into something she does not expect (Such as a redneck, making 7/hr fixing trailers). I also think that there are a lot of possibilities WITHIN these borders, including Russians who are already here. Just to make it clear, I think, that traveling thousands of miles to another country in order to find a “bride” is a little excessive (to say the least).
Happiness, sheriff, is undefinable. It was just a reference to a euphoriacal state of mind..
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Cheburaha
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posted 1/10/2006 2:21:55 PM
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```Я всё ожидаю что женская половина сюда кинется с кирками "да как вы могли...!" ```
а я как одна из тои половины скажу: "Флаг им в руки!"
у каждого свои путь к достижению счастья. Согласна с Лени: определение счастья неопясуемо. Просто очень много истории что с однои стороны, что и с другои что они были как то обмануты. у меня нет друзеи состояших в таких браках, так что мои мысли голословны, но как и все - имею мнение.
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Xombie
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posted 1/10/2006 2:25:46 PM
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Yeah i would marry a Russian women, one reason is that i have dated a russian girl before and they are very nice, and i like how most of them look too.
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Olgaa
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posted 1/22/2006 1:45:02 PM
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I found it on net.
Thought it worth reading for some guys.
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Well guys, I hate to be the one to come to this forum and break the news but, my wife Tonya who has been here 30 days tells me she wants to go home.
She does not like the clothing she sees in the stores. They are not from France or Italy and I refuse to spend the money they are asking for clothes like that. Remember, this is America and not Ukraine.
Second, she can't stand the food or our grocery stores. She is a great cook but our stores do not carry Buckwheat or similar items that she is use to. Sorry about that one!!! Remember, this is America and not Ukraine. Remember, she is the one who is here, not me there. I have tried everyday to please give all of this a chance but she refuses.
Everyday I hear how bad America is.
When I ask her why she came to America, she tells me in a very smart-ass way that she thought it would be different. I was expecting her answer to be more along the lines of "because you are my husband and I love you."
What has really put the icing on the cake happened this past Wednesday evening. She was watching T.V., the QVC shopping channel. She told me how much she liked a pair of pearl earrings they were showing. So I made the comment that they were nice and that maybe she would get them for Christmas. In a demanding almost screaming tone, she told me "Not Christmas but NOW!!!" I looked at her and laughed repeating myself about Christmas. She got up, crossed her arms in front of her and demanded that I buy them for her now. That's when I tried to explain that we cannot always get what we want and sometimes we have to wait. But she wouldn't hear anything like that. She stormed off to the bedroom and slammed the door hard enough for my daughter to notice from across the house.
And if that wasn't enough, when I went to the bedroom to once again talk to her, she asked me when I was going to give her 400.00 a month. I was so shocked I could hardly contain myself...but I was calm and asked her to repeat it. Which she did. I told her that I give her money for spending at stores when either her and I or her and one of her Russian friends goes shopping...and that was enough.
She continued to demand that I give her the 400.00 a month PLUS, send 400.00 a month to her son, who is 20 years old and 400.00 a month to her mother who is 78 years old and collecting a pension. (Both live in Skadovsk)
I asked her if this was the only reason she came to America, if she came here for money or to be with me. And she said that she had to come here to be wife me in order to get the money. I'll tell you I dame near dropped dead.
Here is a woman which lives in one of the poorer areas of Ukraine where the average monthly wage is about 75 to 80 dollars. And now she wants me to send her son and mother 400.00 each...each month plus give her 400.00 each month.
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Did not fit in one post. To be continued below.
[Message edited by Olgaa on 1/22/2006 6:05:43 PM]
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Olgaa
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posted 1/22/2006 1:48:59 PM
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I asked her about a smaller amount and she said no. I asked why so much and she said for them to go shopping.
It was then that I knew there would be no recovery from this situation. So I told here in no uncertain terms "ABSOLUTELY NOT" There was no way I was going to do this.
She looked at me and without hesitation in her voice told me she wanted to go back to Skadovsk NOW!!! I told her to be very sure of this. That if I make reservations, there were not going to be cancelled. She said she was sure and wanted to leave immediately.
So today I proceeded to make her reservations for a flight out of Dulles International to Odessa for the 15th.
Whenever we were together on my trips to Ukraine she was so concerned about me spending money on gifts for my family. I was not spending very much but still wanted to bring things back to the U.S. with me. She would rather cook for me then go out to eat. I even offered to buy her things while in Ukraine and she said no. SO like I said, this was a total shock and surprise to me. And a very hurtful one at that. I had honestly thought that she was it. That she was going to be with me for life.
She played the game so damn well. From the very first time we met, to the time we were married in Kherson, to the interview for her visa and her flight here. All those months and not one clue she was like this.
Well guys, be forewarned. These type of women are out there, not only in America but everywhere. It was an expensive lesson. I have no regrets because I saw and learned alot about Ukraine that I never new before. I enjoyed my time there and would never take it back.
So what do I do now?? I am going to look into getting an annulment from here. There is no doubt that she came here for money and nothing else. Once she has left the Country she has deserted me. "
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dan123
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posted 1/22/2006 2:46:36 PM
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He should have put her in time out, fasing the corner. That is what I do to my daughter, when she becomes unreasonable. 
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Walker
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posted 1/23/2006 8:38:58 AM
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She got up, crossed her arms in front of her and demanded that I buy them for her now.
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Мне это напомнило один анекдот.
Рассказываю (все его слышали, но повторяю наверняка для Лени, котроый тут оторван от советской действительности):
Женился грузин (анекдот старый, тогда еще грузины актуальны были, сечас грузина смело можно заменить американцем, кандцем, австралийцем) на укранике. На слудующий день он ей гвоврит:
- Смотри. Если у меня кепка на затылке - значит у меня хорошее насторение: денег дам много, и вообще все будет хорошо. Если кепка на лбу, значит у меня плохое настороение, вообще лучше со мной не разговаривай и ничего не проси, иначе...
Тут жена его обрывает и прям как в описнной ситуации she got up, crossed her arms in front of her and said: Видишь как у меня руки? Вот всегда когда у меня так руки - мне по херу на какую сторону у тебя кепка!
Народная мудрость работает даже за океаном.
У нас тут в Туле шутят на непутевых мужиков, типа ему жену хохлушку нужно, чтобы в чувства привела. Или наоборот при разводе - типа удача, что не на хохлушке женился, иначе бы раздела до трусов.
Думаю этот чувак еще вторую серию напишет.
Сейчас она приедит, сходит к адвокату-толмачу, тот ей насоветует такого... УУУУУУХ!
Корче как бы не случилось так, что он приходит домой, а там контейнеры стоят со стикерами: "FAS - Kherson".
Ради такого дела она никаких денег не пожалеет!
Блин, в Штатах нужно книгу издавать "Russian wife. Manual instruction (ukrainian mod)" Где особо четко нужно прописавть главу Matrimonial agreements.
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Leny
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posted 1/23/2006 9:54:02 AM
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[но повторяю наверняка для Лени, котроый тут оторван от советской действительности]
hey, всё нормально...я всё понял...мужика конечно жалко, но с другой стораны, what a F.ck was he thinking...не хрена ездит на Украину за п...ой, то есть женой...
[Message edited by Leny on 1/23/2006 9:54:19 AM]
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Cheburaha
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posted 1/23/2006 10:52:17 AM
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```анекдот старый, тогда еще грузины актуальны были...```
Ну спасибо рассмешил. я в первыи раз слышу хотя сама с юга. Да, еше жила на Украине и могу утвердить что слова как "я тебе покажу Кузькину мать!" там часто слыхала от женшин.
Выбрать и жить в интренациональном браке имеет большие трудности и как в любом браке нужно полная отдача и принятие того другого человека/половинки. Иногда идея как это может быть затмевает дествительность и спешить с решением заключать браки очень не рекомендуетска и особенно со вторыми браками (как похоже из примера свыше).
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Акакий
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posted 1/23/2006 11:16:21 AM
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Отец бывшей жены товарища в Москве обженившись на хохлушке, явно не подозревал что вместе с ней к нему передут все ее родственики с украины:-) теперь его квартиру называют "hohltown"
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Olgaa
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posted 1/23/2006 1:42:42 PM
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Ещё украла кусок. Я очень согласна с автором о том, чего русские женщины хотят.
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I am posting this to the list as a form of closure. This is where the
journey began almost 6 years ago, and this is where it ends. I often
wondered what happened to the list members I knew from that period, how many
lived happily ever after, how many didn't. Not many guys want to admit
their failures, but thats where you learn the most.
In 1999, I courted and married a Kazakh girl. She was 28, as was I, we were
both inexperienced with relationships, having never lived with another
person in an adult relationship. She spoke little english, I little
Russian. It was a fairly typical courtship, in that we lived together for
almost six months in KZ before getting married.
Our first son was born shortly after we were married, in the USA. Our
second was born 2 years later in Kazakhstan where we were living at the time.
I learned to speak Russian, however my wife never mastered English.
We moved to KZ so she could be close to her parents, to help her with the
2nd baby, as I was often away working in the oil industry. The second
pregnancy was very difficult emotionally, and the situation didnt improve
afterwards. She was unhappy about being in KZ, wanted to be in America,
despite having felt alone and isolated there.
She felt I was the cause of her unhappy life, although by most standards,
she had little to complain about. Our apartment in KZ was a beautifully
remodeled, central 5 room apt. She never had to work, had her mom and a
maid to help her, and we would take trips overseas about twice a year. She
has never lacked for money. But she began taking her unhappiness out on me,
becomeing very more angry and abusive towards me.
We separated for 5 months, however it did not help in the long run. Last
year we separated for good.
There are lessons here I think can be of use to the list:
1)No matter how "good" your situation or initial courtship, it doesnt
guarantee good results in the long term.
2)Her culture contributed little to our marital strife...of far more
importance was her family situation (my wife was basically an immature,
spoiled little girl, thanks to her parents).
I learned a great deal from my marriage, about myself, about life, about
women. I learned Russian, and my understanding of the FSU and the people is
extensive.
However, here is the thing that I have learned in the aftermath that has had
the greatest impact, and that if I had known at the get go, would have
perhaps saved my marriage, if such a thing was possible:
In order to be successful with women, whether in casual or long term
relationships, you must understand the dynamics of seduction and attraction.
I was a needy, desperate, unattractive, shy guy, and thought that a Russian
bride was the answer to my inability to meet women. In a way it was...I
met, courted and fell in love with a beatiful girl. It was even easy.
What I didn't understand, was that THE COURTSHIP NEVER ENDS. The need for
maintaining a level of attraction and for lack of a word, fire, never ends.
CONTINUED...
[Message edited by Olgaa on 1/23/2006 2:01:41 PM]
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Olgaa
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posted 1/23/2006 2:01:08 PM
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Women, I have learned, have a biological need to find a strong man, a
protector and provider. Much of what we men consider illogical behavior
makes sense when seen in this light: women are constantly testing men for
the qualities of strength and dominance, ESPECIALLY Russian women. I failed
these tests too often, by "giving her space", being a "nice guy", and
giving her anything she wanted, even though I got nothing in return. She
did not want that- she wanted a man who challenged her and controlled the
relationship despite her attempts to control him. In the end, I lost her
respect as a man because of this. When she said to me "You are weak.", I
knew it was over.
Since then I have studied the art of seduction, and the psychology of women.
I'm no better looking than I was before, but now I attract beautiful women,
and my relationships are far more successful. I am no longer the
supplicating nice guy who let a woman control him. Not only am I happier,
but the women I have relationships with are happy. This is not to say I am
an arrogant jerk- far from it. Think Cary Grant, not Andrew Dice Clay, and
you get the picture.
Finally, let me say this: Russian women embody the best and worst in the
female of the species. I have never lost my respect for them despite my
experiences.
They are incredible.
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